David Grossman is one of Israel’s most prominent writers and a much-loved literary figure in the world— his books have been translated into over thirty languages and have won countless international awards. He has written a number of works of nonfiction, including Sleeping on a Wire: Conversations with Palestinians in Israel, Death as a Way of Life: Israel Ten Years after Oslo, and the hugely influential report The Yellow Wind. His fictional works include The Smile of the Lamb, See Under: Love, The Book of Intimate Grammar, The Zigzag Kid, and To the End of the Land, which was nominated for the 2011 National Book Critics Circle Award and made President Obama’s 2011 summer reading list.
Grossman is also a political activist and an outspoken critic of Israel’s policy toward the Palestinians. His twenty year-old son, Uri, a staff sergeant, was killed in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, shortly before the ceasefire. A few months later, Grossman addressed a crowd of 100,000 Israelis in Tel Aviv on the anniversary of the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, denouncing Ehud Olmert’s government and reasserting his belief that, despite his personal tragedy, hostility toward the Palestinians was a misguided tactic in the region. In an in-depth profile of Grossman in the September 27, 2010 issue of The New Yorker, George Packer writes, “Grossman is no longer allowed to be simply a novelist. The left-wing writer whose son fell in combat has become a secular prophet.”
Grossman is warm and thoughtful; a man who remembers the importance of listening even though he has been blessed with the gift of words. This conversation took place during a phone call between Stockholm and Jerusalem on an afternoon in September.
Your father was a librarian. Did you spend a lot of time in libraries as a child?
Well, my father was a bus driver in the local transportation company in Jerusalem. Then, after a certain age and a couple of health problems, he was transferred to be the librarian of this transportation company, which gave me free access to many books and I loved it. It was really like the dream of a book-loving child because I could have asked my father to order any book that I was interested in.
But, before I got this privatized fortune, I used to go get books in the public library by my home. In the 60s, the libraries in Israel were quite gloomy places. There was one room that was usually in the cellar of a public building. There stood a librarian who was quite a frightening figure in my life. She was tall, her hair was gathered together, she had a very stiff look, and she was regarding us— the readers— as potential enemies who just wanted to destroy her private treasure. You were not allowed to go into the library itself and to look or choose for yourself among the shelves. She used to look at you, scrutinize you with her eyes, and then the verdict came: “You should read this and that.” You know, even if it was absolutely not useful for the child at that age, or even if he didn’t like that writer, or whatever. He was doomed to have this book for the next week.
You were not allowed to get more than one book a week. Now, for me, this was a torment. Because I used to finish the book by the time I got home. I read very fast and I walked while reading— you know, bumping into all kinds of things. And then once, when she was ordering me to take a book— I don’t remember what book it was— I started to tell her frankly how I desperately needed more than one book a week. And something happened. You know, I think I cracked her icy heart, and she allowed me to have three books every week, which was very exciting for me.
She must have realized that you were actually a lover of books, the way she was probably a lover of books, protecting her stash from greasy-fingered kids who didn’t appreciate them enough.
I am really curious— if she is still with us— to look at things from her point of view. [Laughs.]
So, when your father became a librarian, it must have been a major liberation!
Yes. I had my own gold mine.
When you were reading as a child, did you have a sense that there was someone who had written the stories you were reading? Was the idea of a writer alive to you in your mind?
No, I don’t think so. I knew that there was someone who had written the book, but he or she did not interest me at all. I was totally interested in the story. You know, sometimes I think that in a series of books, when I found a little contradiction or something like that, then it roused my attention immediately to the notion that there is a human being behind all this creation. But usually the characters are so much more important than the writer.
Do you remember a point where you shifted and thought: “I don’t want to just be reading, I want to be one someone who creates characters.”
Yes, but I have to distinguish. I do not think that I thought, “I want to be a writer,” I thought, “I want to tell a story.” That was the thing. Telling a story became such an urge, a passion. My mother was a housewife when I was ten or so, and in order to make some money on the side and sustain the family, she would type all kinds of university work for students. So she had a little typing machine, it is just now behind me on a chair here…
Oh yeah?
Yes. All dusty… Did you ever hear those strange machines? You know they sound…I’ll just make the sound…
[Grossman types on the typewriter and I can hear the smatter of the keys through the phone.]
Do you hear it?
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